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 Info Here are somme different views of an historical tree, the platanus orientalis planted by Buffon in the Jardin des Plantes of Paris (Jardin du roi) in 1785. This tree is still alive.--Jebulon (talk) 23:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment This series needs at least also a picture of the complete tree. Lycaon (talk) 13:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Sorry, it's impossible. To do that, I've to sit on the knees of this friend and he disagrees...:)--Jebulon (talk) 23:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment But Impossible n'est pas Français,  Done now !--Jebulon (talk) 16:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Have you tried a stitched pano? Lycaon (talk) 23:14, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Not a champion enough to do that... But maybe I'll try to shoot this tree from another point. Would you support, if I do that for you
 ?--Jebulon (talk) 23:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
 Support 1785 beautiful life. The first 3 would probably have enough but as we like ...En souvenir de Monsieur de Buffon… --Archaeodontosaurus (talk) 05:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply] Request about scope, identification and geolocation -Scope: I'd suggest to slightly reword the scope in Buffon's plane tree (instead of "plane") to avoid a possible confusion with an aeroplane (I may attest that some users ignorant of botany like me could be misleaded). Identification in description and categorisation: one can read in this document in French that this tree is a presumed hybrid between Platanus orientalis and occidentalis (Platane commun, Platanus x hispanica Mill. Ce platane, habitant des lieux depuis 1785 et planté par Buffon, est un hybride présumé entre Platanus orientalis et occidentalis.) So I suggest to amend the description and the categorization of the images and of the category itself. Geolocation: please geolocate each image of the set (geotag is missing in four views, unless I'm wrong). --Myrabella (talk) 12:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment geoloc added. For the other parts of the request, I' some things to say, but no time enough now. I'll be back soon, thanks for waiting me a little.--Jebulon (talk) 22:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment1)- Myrabella, I've seen your document, and that make me think that we must be very careful with sources, even the bests: But you tell us about tree n°8, and my tree, this one I show you, is n°12, which is a pure platanus orientalis (please have a look to the geocode), and was planted by Buffon too, like the other you speak about. I've asked by mail the museum about the plaque to be sure, I'll inform you (but I'm pretty sure).
2)-I'm sure too all the friends of "Commons" are cultured enough and will not be confused between plane and plane. Ok, if Costes & Bellonte have had a plane in their garden, it would be a real question mark, but not Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon. Le Jardin du Roy in 1785 was not an airport.
3)- But you are right about the scope (and the category) : they are at least two Buffon's plane trees. Let's find a good idea...--Jebulon (talk) 22:42, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- That's funny, I've also asked the question to the Museum by mail but I do think you may be right. About the scope, may I insist? It's only 4 letters more, no need of a "VIC-scope-change" template, and it will be more "user-friendly" for non-fluent English speaking users. --Myrabella (talk) 06:32, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- OK I'll agree. Please have a look on your page for developments. Thank you.--Jebulon (talk) 16:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Request The scope that you've suggested on my talk page, "Buffon's plane tree (platanus orientalis)" would be quite OK, without any ambiguity, neither with another object ("plane"), nor with another species (Platanus x hispanica Mill.). The reference I've found in arbres.org convinces me that you have photographied the right one. --Myrabella (talk) 07:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: Please don't close this nomination yet; let's wait for the nominator's answer and maybe complements. --Myrabella (talk) 09:22, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Scope changed from Buffon's plane to Buffon's plane tree platanus orientalis --Jebulon (talk) 16:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC) {{{3}}}[reply]
- Please notify previous voters of this change. Remember: "A support vote that was made before a change of scope is not counted unless it is reconfirmed afterwards; an oppose vote is counted unless it is changed or withdrawn".
This is the mail I received today from MNHN :
:Bonjour,
Les étiquettes sur les deux platanes sont justes, pour des raisons de mise en page l'information n'a simplement pas été reportée sur la plaquette pour le deuxième arbre.
A noter que la phrase "planté par Buffon en 1785" est une formulation très "condensée". Ce n'est bien sûr pas Buffon lui même qui a planté ses arbres, mais cela a été fait sous les ordres du Chef Jardinier André Thouin, alors que Buffon était Intendant du Jardin du Roi. La date elle aussi est une approximation d'après le peu de documentation restant de nos jours (inventaires, citations dans des ouvrages historiques...).
Bien cordialement,
--
Frédéric ACHILLE
Responsable scientifique - Collections végétales de plein air
Muséum National d'Histoire Naturelle
Département des Jardins Botaniques et Zoologiques.
Now we are sure, with an original source. --Jebulon (talk) 09:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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