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 Support Useful & used.--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 04:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Oppose Excellent image – fine for QI, and congratulations on FP. Unfortunately, IMHO the scope of an individual lion named Snyggve (sadly now passed) is much too narrow for a VI nomination.
- Per COM:VIS guidance on scopes for animals - one VI per species is the norm (OK on that); and/or sub-species (fine for additional VIs on those as well); with separate sub-scopes for identifiable adult, cub, male, female etc. (fine there too); various animal behaviors - in chase of prey, fighting, mating etc. (fine on all those as well).
- A scope that represents an individual lion-by-specific-name does not represent “a generic field or category within which your image is the most valuable example” per COM:VIS. It is a description of what your image represents but is too narrow as a VI scope. Can you find a better scope within the dozen or so possibilities above that Snyggve (now sadly passed) might represent? --GRDN711 (talk) 00:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The thing is that Snyggve (and Tryggve) is a quite famous lion : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, etc. Just like famous persons (like recent VIC nominations) can have a scope for themselves, I think a famous animal like this one should also be able to have it. This lion is indeed quite famous and the scope would allow someone wanting to do a search query to directly find it. In the light of these elements, don't you think the current scope could fit @GRDN711? If not, please tell me what you think of these alternative scope suggestions : "Panthera leo (lion), sitting" (almost no other image of a lion sitting, only lying), "Panthera leo (lion), scanning the horizon" or "Panthera leo (lion), looking at vultures". Thank you in advance for your answer. -- Giles Laurent (talk) 16:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment Being temporarily famous may be important for the human imagination but lions do not care. Notoriety is not associated with lion classification or behavior. Also, sadly, some of your references are obituary notices for Snyggve aka Bob….
- One scope related to lion behavior that comes to mind is “Panthera leo (lion) - dominant adult male protecting pride territory”. I have yet to review the 200 images in your scope link category for other images that would also meet this scope definition, but this or something similar might be considered. --GRDN711 (talk) 23:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Lions do not care but it is humans that use commons and care. I think that if a lion is that famous that even BBC, Whashington Post and many many other medias talk about it, this particular lion should deserve its own scope just like there is one scope for every notorious human. If a lion is famous, it is known and people that know it will want to search directly for it. Anyway, thank you for your scope suggestion, I edited the scope to use it. (I think "Panthera leo (lion), male sitting" could fit too as there is only 2-3 lions sitting (and not lying) in the gallery). Pinging all the voters : Agnes Monkelbaan, GRDN711 and Tagooty. -- Giles Laurent (talk) 12:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Scope changed from Panthera leo (lion), Snyggve to Panthera leo (lion) - dominant adult male protecting pride territory --Giles Laurent (talk) 12:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Please notify previous voters of this change. Remember: "A support vote that was made before a change of scope is not counted unless it is reconfirmed afterwards; an oppose vote is counted unless it is changed or withdrawn".
- Support with revised scope. While there are others, image quality for an image taken in the wild is excellent. This lion looks both regal and watchful in a way that is better than others. --GRDN711 (talk) 18:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The scope is ok. The image does not depict the behaviour "protecting", no signs of an intruder or of aggression. There are dozens of similar images of lions standing and walking. This image and this one depict behaviour that could be aggressive. As of now, my oppose remains. --Tagooty (talk) 03:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- At the moment this picture was taken, the lion was looking at vultures in the horizon. Also, not very long before this lion arrived to that place (maybe 10 minutes before), he was walking in the direction of a cheetah mother and her three younglings that were in its territory (I have a video of it). So I have no doubt that the lion was still defending it's territory by looking at the horizon. Giles Laurent (talk) 12:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Procedural points: (1) "A support vote that was made before a change of scope is not counted unless it is reconfirmed afterwards". The vote is currently 1 s, 1 o as Agnes Monkelbaan has not reconfirmed. (2) Per COM:VIP, a nomination can be closed "only if more than 48 hours have passed since the last vote ( Support, Neutral, or Oppose)." Hence, I've changed back to Discuss to allow sufficient time for opinions. --Tagooty (talk) 07:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Archaeodontosaurus: This is the second time you have speedily promoted this image while it is under Discussion without waiting for the mandatory 48 hours "since the last vote" per COM:VIP. The intent of the 48-hour period I believe is to allow community members to consider the various points of view before the final decision. I'm puzzled by the urgency to promote this image. --Tagooty (talk) 16:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Agnes Monkelbaan I would be grateful if you could confirm if you maintain your support after the edit because of the arraised procedural technicality. Thank you in advance! -- Giles Laurent (talk) 13:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I hope it's not too late. I wasn't home today.--Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 17:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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